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15 Aug
I was having a discussion with Doug down in the Bistro this morning, and I came to a rather interesting realization: Calgary Transit sucks.
Let’s have a realistic view, here. Calgary is the third or fourth largest city in Canada. We’re over a million people (we recently had our one millionth baby, but I suspect we’re actually well over that number in population). We have a massive city by area because Calgary hasn’t quite figured out that we should be building up, not out.
Calgary is attempting to address this fact by improving roads. Roads. As in expecting people to drive. Wow. There’s incentive to take public transit. Okay, in their defense, the C-Train will be up in the Northwest at Crowfoot Crossing in the next year or two. But not in the Northeast or in the effective places in the south, where the city is growing the fastest.
The bus system is a joke. Some parts of the city are well-served. But overall, it’s far from what this city needs. Ottawa at least had the smarts to put in bus routes that use their own roads, where cars cannot go. Calgary can’t do that because the roads are already filled with cars carrying a single person. I know — I used to be one of them.
A few months ago, I used to drive to work. Seven-odd kilometres one way. Fifteen minutes if I hit every light and got stuck behind slow people. I had a prime parking spot. It was everything I shouldn’t be doing. I live SEVEN kilometres from work. Why on earth would I drive? I decided in the spring to bike and bus. So far, the biking is going very well — I can get to work almost as fast as it took me to drive. Getting home takes a bit longer, but it’s mostly uphill.
The bus is a different story. Although the #7 is actually pretty convenient in the morning, the afternoon is another issue. I’ve been passed by at the stop near my office several times because the bus was full. (There were a couple of cases where the bus simply didn’t show up.) The telephone schedule is wildly inaccurate because the bus never actually follows that schedule.
The bus where I am is good compared to those poor folks who end up living on the outskirts of town. Bus service exists out there too, but the timing sucks. Somewhere, the person at Calgary Transit who sets the schedules needs to spend some time with the people who ride the bus and ask how it works for them. Based on all the people I’ve talked to, it’s not working.
There are a series of express buses designed to help funnel people in from the outer ring. For these people, it can cut as much as 50% off their commute time. But it doesn’t come without a price. People have to start earlier and have to leave early or face a long ride to and from work. One of my co-workers, Colin, has to run out at 16:55 sharp every day or face the prospect of a long ride home because he’ll miss the last express. The last one. Not the last for an hour … the last of the day.
What Einstein doesn’t know that most offices actually close at 17:00?
This baffles me beyond belief. Yes, some places in Calgary close earlier in the day, but not all of them. Many places are open until 17:00 or later. But too bad if you’re not one of the lucky few who actually close when Calgary Transit says you should. This insular ignorance of reality amazes me to no end. (The same problem exists with the West Coast Express in Vancouver. Vancouver runs more on the 9-5 workday than Calgary does!)
And lest you think that I’m just some rambling idiot (which I very well may be), my friend Tom has piped in with his own thoughts:
I figured moving to a company right downtown where the C-Train is close would be great. Not so. In order for me to catch the C-Train at the Dalhousie station, I have to be there before 06:40 just to get a parking spot. The Citadel bus (199) goes right past the Dalhousie station and feeds the Brentwood station. Where’s the logic in that? When the weather is nice, I get to ride my Hog-2-be to work (I double park in the bosses spot). Riding the bike takes 25 minutes from Citadel to downtown. Driving to Dalhousie and taking the train usually takes about 40 to 50 minutes. It costs in fuel for the bike $1.00 each way, transit - $2.25. Just to recap, when I can ride my bike, it takes half the time for less than half the price and I don’t need to squeeze myself on the homebound train, which of course is the last stop out of downtown going North West. Why in the world would I ever want to take Calgary Transit??? I am so looking forward to our company moving out of downtown and up on Centre street and 11th ave North in October where I will have my own parking spot and never have to rely on Calgary Transit again!
Calgary has a 15 year plan to expand all the C-Train stations to add a fourth car to the trains. And eventually they’ll get enough cars to handle the load. Already the trains are packed tight. We’ll need to hire some Japanese pushers to get everyone in before too long. We don’t need longer trains in 15 years — we need more trains now. We need to double the number of trains, and then use those cars to expand the three-car trains to four-car trains in the future. We need to expand the C-Train route to the southwest to Westhills, the southeast to Mackenzie Town, the north west to Tuscany, the northeast (admittedly, I don’t know the area up there that well), and for God’s sake, can we please run the C-Train to the airport? Would it really kill someone to think that Calgary should have a single route from the airport to downtown? Or am I being grossly naive here?
The bus routes, as Chris recently pointed out, are all undocumented. If you don’t live here, you have no idea where the bus is going or when it should come. It doesn’t take a lot of effort to put up schedules on the bus stops and put maps so people know where they’re going. Really smart bus companies show major routes so people know where to change to other routes. London has this figured out. Tokyo has it down to a science. Paris has it made. Honk Kong is a breeze. Calgary’s a frickin’ disaster.
And it costs a lot for the privilege, too. $2.25 by current prices. That doesn’t get you much. And Calgary Transit wonders why they’re losing money.
Someone please wake up and check out the reality of the city’s transportation needs? We’re grossly behind compared to other cities, and if we have any hope at all of stemming the tide of cars driving in and out of downtown, we need some common sense helping set the direction.
162 Responses for "Calgary Transit Sucks"
I am with you on this one. Calgary transit is in a horrible state right now!
You are so right.
If you guys think Calgary Transit sucks then you should take a look at Brampton Transit, Mississauga Transit, and the TTC. It seems like no matter what city you’re in everyone seems to think that their transit system is the worst.
Let me shed some light from personal experience. To date, the worst transit systems I have ever been on are as follows
a. Brampton Transit (City did not respond quickly enough to massive urban sprawl between 1998 and 2004). They are now just beginning to do just that. Imagine waiting 1 hour for the bus, 3 hours to get anywhere. In typical ontario fashion, no one cares.
b. Mississauga: it used to be horrible in the early 90’s, not as much now though you do pay $2.50. The city is financially stable, but busses do not have their own dedicated lanes and traffic now is unmanageable. The square one to shoppers world route is one example.
c. Toronto Transit. Subways are nice but think about Yonge and Bloor in the mornings/evenings. That or union station during the mornings/evenings. These stations needed to be twice as big 20 to 30 years ago.
Calgary is bliss compared to those metropolises.
Also, Calgary is expanding its transit system. Think about all the new c-train stations that are being built. In the last 10 years, brampton has only built 1 station. Well not even brampton, as Go-Transit (an inter-city) link is the one that built it. It’s already AT CAPACITY when it opened brand spanking new 3 years ago.
Fair enough, there are other cities with major problems. I know from experience that Vancouver (or the GVRD, depending on where you live) isn’t the best — especially if you have to come into Vancouver from past New Westminster.
But in all honesty, I don’t care about other cities. I care about the one I live in. And I care about whether they care. I’m now likely facing a return to public transit since I just found out how much I’m paying for parking (OUCH!), and I’m not looking forward to it. Waiting 30 minutes for a bus that’s supposed to come every 15, a transit strike with the difference being a measly percent (boy, I wish I could strike over a single percent in my pay without being fired), and a city that’s over twice the size of Brampton.
And yes, Calgary is expanding, but at a brutally slow pace. And the news isn’t good, because Bronco’s killed off the west and south C-Train lines (”lack of money”), which will likely also mean lack of additional trains or ability to make longer trains. Adding buses does not help as the roads are already at capacity.
So far, I see more talk than action from Calgary.
Lots of good points. The express bus times is one that has really bugged me for a while - we’re supposed to be encouraged to work non-standard hours to reduce rush-hour congestion, and yet transit works on the assumption that everyone works from 7:30 to 4:30.
The limited parking at park & rides is my other big annoyance. Community bus service is usually pretty lacking in most areas, and I can accept that it would be very expensive to have frequent buses to outlying communities. If they’d actually put enough parking at park & rides that people could drive there and take the c-train or BRT into downtown, they could take a lot of traffic off the streets (though of course they’d also have to add more c-train and BRT service, since both are already at or over capacity).
There are also lots of little inefficiencies. I see the 144 (express) go by mostly empty all the time, while a huge number of people are waiting for the 301 (BRT), which goes to the same place, because the last couple of buses were full. However, the 144 only comes on a half-hour frequency and is never on time, so no one wants to sit waiting at the stop all evening, and it doesn’t stop close enough to the 301 that people could take whichever comes first. The other one is mostly empty community shuttles pulling away just as a packed bus from downtown is arriving - the other day there’d been a delay on the BRT with no buses for half an hour, and just as the first bus arrived at the park & ride all the community shuttles (on 45 minute schedules) left.
Oy vey… the 301 is that bad? I take that route now. But if the 144 goes (roughly) the same route, that might be more appealing. Perhaps I should give that one a whirl a couple times and see how it goes. ‘Cuz my last two experiences with the 301 weren’t exactly stellar.
I moved to the inner city a year or so ago thinking that this would alleviate some of my transit woes. Man, was I in for a suprise. I live in Renfrew and often have to travel through the core at times that aren’t 7:30-4:30. There is a bus in our community that goes downtown, the number 17. Imagine my suprise when I was told that this bus stops running after 6:24pm. I phoned transit and asked them what the rationalization was for this. They explained that since the bus basically rides around empty after 6pm, they don’t see a need to run it any longer.
WHAT?!
Of course it runs empty at that time. Who in their right mind would take a bus out of their community at 6pm if they have no way to get back? The only way of getting back to Renfrew is walking, or by a series of ridiculous connections that can take over an hour. In the winter, this just isn’t feasible.
The real kicker? The number 17 DOES run after 6pm, it just doesn’t make it all the way to Renfrew. They basically take the existing route and condense it. I asked if it were possible to have the bus do it’s regular route after rush hour, but I received a flat out NO.
Calgary Transit is pushing people to drive. They have no idea how to increase ridership.
Every time I think about it, it makes me angry.
I’ve found that there are a few buses that run after 6pm that shouldn’t, according to schedule.
Consistency, people… all that I ask is freakin’ consistency.
Calgary transit is a nightmare. Like your friend I take an express bus and have to dash from the office no latter then 5:00 pm. God help me if I have a meeting and miss the last bus because it will take me close to two hours to get home. Increasingly a new trend has arisen, the bus simply does not show up. Without warning, without notice the bus will simply not come. A call to the -1000 number at Calgary Transit produces a lame response that there was no drivers. So you wait for the next bus and its packed and there is a long trip down town holding on to the upper bar until you can no longer feel your arms and you fear that soon a blood clot will form and move to your brain. If you ran a private business like this it would be bankrupt in three weeks. The worst was last winter, the coldest night of the year, it was -35 deg. C. I stood there for over an hour and the bus did not come. I could not feel my hands or feet and pleaded with my wife to come and pick me up even though the streets were glare ice. Worse than this was the sight of a father clutching his four year old son in the cold waiting endlessly for the bus to arrive.
An alternative is to drive to the C-Train, park there if you can find a spot, then cram on to train like livestock. If you get stuck by the door your in for a jostling match with the 20 or so people around you. Some times there is nothing to hold on to. Who knows how many people would be injured if the driver had to pile on the brakes. Close body contact means that there is a high likelihood that you may come down with a contagious disease. The guy standing next to you coughing sneezing and hacking will surely infect you and if your lucky it will simply be a cold and not tuberculosis.
I remember ridding on electric trolley buses up and down Elbow Drive SW. I have seen it all and believe me this City’s transit system has gone down the toilet.
I should say that the express bus I am referring to is the #70 Valley Ridge.
Trent
I think I’m envious — not about the bus or train experiences (hence why I’m biking to and from work these days), but about riding the electric trolley. Maybe it’s a weird form of nostalgia, but it just seems to me that must have been a far more peaceful and pleasant time.
trent,
It’s not a ‘lame excuse’. There are days when they don’t have enough drivers. For many months they were on work to rule and refusing overtime. My own express the 130 Tuscany Express was cut repeatedly during their work to rule campaign. It was getting to the point of just 1 bus somedays. I got to know the route 421 and the c-train really well. Now they have their deal and we still get the same excuse some days. Parking downtown is a nightmare. That’s the only reason I bother with Calgary Transit.
you should have nothing to complain about, Calgary Transit is WAY better then any other transit in ALL OF CANANDA! its people like you that make CT suck.
you should have nothing to complain about, Calgary Transit is WAY better then any other transit in ALL OF CANANDA! its people like you that make CT suck. Idiots.
Sorry Jackie, but I have to wholly disagree. Vancouver, Ottawa, Toronto, and Montreal all have far superior systems. (And those are the ones I have direct experience with. I can’t comment on other systems.) Given, those centres tend to be larger than Calgary, but they also adapted to the needs far better than Calgary. Ottawa at least had the foresight to see future growth, and as a result is in a far better position than we are. If we’d had Ottawa’s foresight, I imagine we’d have far less to complain about.
On a side note, I see Calgary’s finally joined the modern age and gotten accordion buses. Hopefully that improves things a bit.
Believe me guys, there’s alot worse tranist systems out there, I m originally from Oshawa and moved to Calgary last year, I think Calgary is a million times better then what I had back home. I had to wait an hour for the bus, then ride it for another hour because all the routes do massive circles around the city which wastes everyones time, basically you can walk to wherever your going faster then taking the bus, plus it doesnt show up alot and the drivers seem to stop infront of every tim hortons they pass by.
Agreed, smaller towns (generally) have lousier service. I didn’t include Oakville on the list of other centres I’ve experienced for that very reason. It’s a smaller town, and they’ll have to try to hit as many places as possible with as few routes as possible.
Oshawa has (according to their website) 146,000 people. Calgary’s got a few times more than that, and I’m sure there are a number of people who’d agree that Calgary has small town-type problems with a city-size population.
The biggest problem is when you have to travel via transit outside of weekday rush hour and esp if your travels take you crosstown. For example, If I want to go from Tuscany to visit my relatives in Cranston via Transit, I haved to take 421 bus to Brentwood (40 min or so from Tuscany complete with a trip through Crowfoot). Then from Brentwood to Somerset take a c-train (45 min to 1 hour). Then I have to take the 413 (another 15-20 min assuming I can catch one –> which stops running in the PM on weekdays and doesn’t run weekends). I’d need basically 2 hours or so for that trip assuming I make the last connection. I could easily do that in under an hour by driving.
I have two job offers, one job in Calgary, another in Ottawa. Which city city is the best for family, school for children, housing and cost and quality of life? Any suggestions.
Thanks
Sowrey, you’re so right!!! And “thbpppt” to anyone who thinks it’s un-Canadian to not sit back and just take it anymore!
Here’s my situation - I can drive 25 minutes to my office in Kensington just outside downtown, from Coventry Hills. Or, I can have the joy of spending 1 1/2 hours (yes, 90 minutes) in two to three consecutive buses (if they stop at all), that are overcrowded, overheated(as in steam-dripping-down-the-windows), with fellow passengers who wouldn’t give a seat to pregnant women or the elderly even at gunpoint, and passengers that are driving from all points outside Coventry to get a seat on my neighborhood bus.
The City is doing a great job of encouraging us to “go green”, aren’t they!
I’ve been battling Calgary Transit for almost 3 years to get service (not improve service, merely GET service) to the bulk of Coventry Hills. We have 13,000 people that live here, and if there was a reasonable transit service, we would use it. You’re right that Calgary Transit is light years away from realizing an efficient, reliable mass transit system, and they seem to have no idea on how to fix this problem.
It doesn’t help to e-mail, phone or send letters. It also doesn’t help to go to the Alderman, Helen Larocque. Her office sent me a reply about what they’re doing in Harvest Hills, and when I let them know that’s not our area, I haven’t heard anything since.
I’ve even tried being helpful with statistics and route info, and the typical response (if I even get one at all!), is “we’re short-staffed and we have no buses”.
Waa-wahh. To Calgary Transit, I say, “Suck it up, pay your staff better, give them proper schedules, get the dispatchers on the phone with the drivers to reallocate buses on the fly, and management - park you arses at City Council until they fix the friggin’ budget!”
Something a cabbie shared with me recently, is that Calgary Transit of ten years ago was actually begging people to ride the system, or they were going to have to sell off buses. So, I have no sympathy for a group of bureaucrats so thick in the head that when the customers come knocking, they effectively slam the door in our faces.
Fair enough - Calgary’s rate of growth in the last 3-5 years has been rapid, but come on…. Transit has just not kept up.
Not impressed… and soon to be driving to work, as my sanity and blood pressure are all I can save at this point.
kathleen, as a former bus and c-train driver and former acting (relief) supervisor, I can tell you why your area is not getting the level of service that you want. There’s a few reasons.
Your area has the 86 bus. There is also the 116 express bus that runs in the weekday mornings. 301 (with limited stops) runs from the park and ride near that movie theatre. It is not that the planners don’t want to provide service to your area. The problem for them is that they won’t be able to staff any extra service and they would have to buy buses too. Existing service is barely being filled the way it is and its not just buses. Even c-train service has taken a hit on certain days because of staff shortage. Anyone calling in sick can mean a bus or train getting cut.
It isn’t just your area that wants better service. Every single area wants it. With the recent annexations of sections of Bearspaw, they will probably want some service too and the City is legally obligated to provide ’some’ service. How frequent that service is all depends on the City and its planners.
One thing that I had suggested many times was a bus that went up and down country hills blvd. It is just not right that someone living in Hidden Valley has to goto Sandstone loop on 118 then take a 3 to 78th ave loop the a 20 to brentwood, a train and then finally a 54 or 154 bus from dalhousie to get to the Hamptons.
One of them is that there really is a major staff shortage. The City has dropped ball when it comes to retention and recruiting. They knew many years ago (the late 90s) that many of their drivers would be retiring around the same time. Many of them were recruited together in the late 70s and early 80s during the other boom in this city. The City knew all this and did NOTHING.
This past spring there was a nasty `work to rule` campaign and the union actually voted to go on full strike by June 1. The drivers asked for 15% over 3 years which was not unreasonable. They ended up with 12% as a compromise. The 12% was because of Edmonton’s drivers getting that much. Edmonton is a smaller city with a smaller area and smaller population and their LRT system is only 1/3 in length with much lower ridership. That last minute compromise did avert a strike but there are still many hard feelings between union members and management. It is a very very negative work environment. Many people were just getting over the 2001 strike when all this happened. The City took out full page newspaper ads this spring attacking the drivers for months on end. They also had taken court action to potentially lock them out. Many of the drivers didn’t care about this ’shuttle’ issue that the union was going on about. Most of them just wanted more money in our contract. The City offered 10% over 3 years and they ended up with 12% (3/4/5) when inflation is 6% a year in this city and many other jobs with less on-the-job stress are paying better or equivalent. The solution to the hiring problem is to pay better. Sooner or later the City will get it. Although I think they still don’t realize it after forcing EMS workers to take 12% via arbitration when they were seeking closer to 30% based on their job function and education requirements. I am probably not the only one that thinks those EMS workers are very important and should be paid more than Transit Workers. As of now they are about the same.
The reasons why people don’t want to stick around vary but generally it can be explained as follows: How new people are treated. New people are put on what is called ’spareboard’, which means they get different work every day and even don’t know what they are going to be doing the very same day. They usually get ‘just enough’ time to go from one piece of work in the NE to say somewhere in the deep south. Often they have to goto work 3 or even 4 times a day to work in the same day. Most people want to be able to get a set route. The way the system works they can’t get that until after more than a year in most cases. Some of the unlucky people are ‘forced’ into driving c-train when they only want to drive buses. They will and have quit over that. All employees who are new are put on probation. more than 3 lates (late = anything over 30 seconds), any sick days, any accidents where its deemed their fault or any complaints by the public can be used to discipline and even fire these new employees. Once probation is done it is very hard to fire anyone except where management has a ’smoking gun’.
There are people who have been around a long time and they have this ‘don’t care’ attitude. They don’t care if their bus is on time. They just book overtime daily when they get back to the garage. They are late on purpose. Management can’t do anything to them.
There was 2 recent job fairs (one on Sept 29) and another is scheduled for Nov. 17 in Calgary. There have been job fairs all across the country. Some of the people who joined from places like Ontario are being paid living expenses and a monetary sum just for joining. Many of them still have not stayed.
I would be shocked if things got any better anytime soon. The same management group that was running things in the 1980s is still running things in very much the same way.
I’d suggest to you to continue to drive to work as transit is not efficient enough in your area.
BusDriver — thank you for that wonderful look behind the curtain!
I am so glad that I am not alone in my daily frustration while taking the C-Train. I usually catch the train at Whitehorn if I can find a parking spot. Most days I cannot, so I am forced to drive to Sunridge mall where there is never parking there either and the mall security has actually cordoned off their parking so don’t you dare drive over the wooden barriers with your Jeep! If I can’t find parking there then I can usually find parking at Marlborough station. But by the time I get there, I am already late for work. (I work downtown) I am under a time constraint with our daycare because we can’t drop our son off before 7am. I live in Castleridge. I am eagerly waiting for the West Winds station to be completed, but they have been tinkering so much with the pretty roof that who knows when that will be done. It is supposed to have 840 stalls. We’ll see.
My biggest beef is the waiting on the train once you get downtown. Once we reach the bridge at Bridgeland, we sit on top of the bridge for about 3 minutes. Then we slowly go into downtown and then sit at 3rd St East for about 5-7 minutes. Subsequently, every stop after that has A RED LIGHT so we sit at those too. The downtown ride is longer than what it takes to get from Whitehorn to Bridgeland. You take a train to get places faster generally (within the city anyway) but you actually could have walked there faster twice. AND to top it all off, the driver doesn’t tell us what is going on. So we just sit and wait. Grrrrr.
Last summer I was on a old train and was at a window seat where beside my leg the heat was blowing. (It was 28 or 30 degrees outside) So that would make it about 40 degrees or more inside the train plus the body heat. Ewww. I was wearing capri pants and my leg happened to touch the side of the element that was blowing the heat. Well, it left a mark and burnt me so I emailed Calgary Transit to ask why we have heat blowing in the summer. The response was basically it is not heat blowing, they are 20 year old trains and sometimes something breaks and it causes it to give off heat. Thank you for choosing Calgary Transit. Well gee thanks.
Bottom line is: Pay the transit workers more money and treat them with dignity and respect. If you want us to go green, then make it easier for us and worth it. Plan to build so that the trains can over ground not on the ground so that we don’t have to wait! Stop using the excuse that “Calgary grew so fast that we weren’t prepared… bs” Come on, what do you expect it to do? Shrink? Also, for those of us who can’t take the bus, build parkades on top of your parking lots at the stations so that we can find a parking spot. Finally, management should take the time out and find a company that will compile some Employee and customer satisfaction surveys and come up with a game plan to make their employees more happy.
Thanks for letting me vent…
Rant away, Bee! Always good to get more points of view!
[...] that I’ve made as I take the bus (which, I should point out, isn’t going too badly, compared to previous situations) is that the traffic downtown is a bit nightmarish at times. Especially because of all the buses [...]
Woo hoo! An opportunity to vent about Calgary transit after the week I’ve had. First of all, thank you BusDriver for providing some perspective on the challenges of driver retention. It’s a catch 22 isn’t it? Calgarians won’t pay more for bus service until they get some reliability in the transit system. The Calgary Transit can’t make the system reliable if doesn’t have the money to train and retain qualified people.
My week started out as one bad bus story after another. Up until this week I drove every day to the Westside Rec Centre bus loop. I live in Discovery Ridge which has extremely limited feeder service to the rec centre. It operated Monday to Friday from 6 am to 5:30 pm. If you miss that last bus - you’re hooped.
I decided to save myself from fuel costs and upcoming scraping of windshields by trying the feeder bus to the rec centre instead (I’ll admit that being green wasn’t at the top of my list). This has required some modifications to my work schedule.
Day 1 - Made it to the rec centre and to work very comfortably. Took the #13 to return after work in the hopes of intercepting the feeder bus at Westhills mall. #13 driver insisted she was an out of service bus at Mount Royal - she wasn’t, the OOS busses were before and after her, but she couldn’t read the schedule. She called it in, but dispatch just took her word for it that her “sheet” said she was out of service. If she had told me this while we were still downtown I could have changed buses. At Mount Royal the only bus going anywhere near Westhills was the 13. It was a two hour wait for an in service bus. Suffice to say I got to Westhills and had to call a cab to get home.
Day 2 - Tried not be defeated and chocked it up to a bad experience. Feeder bus arrived in the morning on time - filled with smoke. Passengers exited the bus (I was the only one on it going to the rec centre) and the driver decided to light up again. I asked him to put it out and got screamed at for my trouble. I complained to Transit when I got to work and was told the story that they are scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Day 3 (Yesterday) - Caught the #2 returning from work to the rec centre. It was moving well and on time until it caught up the #2 before it. The two buses were now moving slowly up 17th with my #2 forced to stop at every stop the first bus stopped at since it could not pass. I missed the feeder bus by 30 seconds (it left early) and waited a half hour for the next bus. I watched the kids play hockey in the rec centre to pass the time.
Day 4 (today) - Feeder bus never arrived. I can only assume it came over 10 minutes early. I walked back home and drove to the Richmond bus loop, passing other stranded passengers along the way.
Hopefully tonight goes okay. At least I have the car at the bus loop this time.
And I know this is long post but…
When I worked in Fort McMurray all mining trucks were equipped with GPS trackers. We always knew exactly where they were and optimized based on their movement.
Now imagine this - all buses equipped with GPS. You are standing at the stop wondering why the bus is late. You call transit. You wait on hold. When you get through to an operator who asks your stop number. Their computer tells them which bus id matches the scheduled time. They call up the computerized map. It tells them where the bus is currently. The program projects when the bus may actually arrive. The operator tells you how far away the bus is and how long it might take to reach you. This technology exists. If Transit had the money it could implement it in six months. And then someday when you dialed your stop number it would be automated - tell you if the last bus was late and a projected time of arrival.
Thanks for the chance to get it all off my chest. I promise not to take it out on the drivers….
Calgary in a Boom? Calgary has not done any upgrading to infrastructure in so long we are still living in a city that is designed for ,5 mil people. Why would a large city put a train on the surface to use streets that were put there for automobiles? First move the train to at least underground downtown! It is so confusing just to get on and off the correct train downtown and at the correct station, then the problems of just having the space downtown for more trains on the system that is already not working is complete insanity. The system will never work correctly, with fluidity in this way. The City council and planners must see this but they keep building on a system that is beyond its time. Spend the money now on a proper subway system it will never get cheaper.
My wife uses the LRT each day to go to and from work, and each day its a challenge for her to make it to the last downtown station where she needs to go for the easiest access to her office, but sometimes the train decides its going to Dalhousie which means you have to get off the train at 8st instead of the last station. Who knows what will happen when they try to add the west line, I cant wait to see what confusion that will cause commuters.
There are some amazing transits systems in the world, I have used them in Tokyo etc. and really wish our City Council and planners would go and take a look at systems that work well, with efficiently and implement the changes necessary to make the system work here before we go and expand the system in the same disregard that has been done in the past.
Calgary needs help!!
Anna, you have the patience of a Saint. I would have lost it on that bus driver who had the nerve to smoke in the bus. (I don’t care if the city is having trouble getting/retaining bus drivers — it’s an issue, yes, but that is no reason or excuse to allow a bus driver to pollute the air inside a confined space.)
I’m curious to know if the rest of your week goes/went well, and if you’re opting to remain on that route, or try something different (e.g. park in a neighbourhood that doesn’t require permits, and take a regular route).
Those limited non-regular routes are always a problem because of availability. Even the regular routes have problem (read the original post above about the #7!). I’ve seen buses going off service at 7:30am — rush hour is still well on and buses are coming OFF? Someone at Calgary Transit needs a freaking reality check.
Grumbling Man, I hear you! In fact, I’ve written a couple of posts on that very topic (see Improving transit in the city core and Calgary is big enough for better transit). This city is large enough to not just consider the future now, but to act on it, too. Transit needs to be buried through downtown.
Yes, to those of you reading this, Europe has all sorts of above-ground transit. But those are in places where the transit came long before cars, and certainly do not have the volume of cars we see in North American cities.
Hi Geoff. The rest of my week was a transit disaster. But I’ve decided to use it as an opportunity to get to know my neighbors and other Calgarians. As a city of strangers we now have something in common - our buses don’t show up. To be fair, there are lots of transit drivers who are friendly and helpful and unable to do anything about the system itself.
I agree with Grumbling man that we need to put the new stations and extensions underground. My father told me that the original stations were built above ground for easier maintenance, safety and to get the system built quickly (it was built when I was seven). And it did work. Edmonton’s LRT was underground and plagued with problems to the point that it is not a well-used system. But technology is further along than it used to be and it’s time to move underground.
Anna, sorry to hear that the rest of your week was a disaster. Again, you are very upbeat for a transit user — most turn out like me, bitter and angry.
Admittedly, I know JACK about the Edmonton Transit system. What sort of problems have they countered? Are these ones that we might see as well?
The main issues with the Edmonton LRT have been flooding and safety. Above-ground stations are easier to maintain - if there is an on-board emergency it is easier to access the train if it is above ground. It’s also easier to clear/repair a track if there’s a problem since the equipment has easier access. (Alternatively, I suppose you could argue that there are fewer car versus train collisions with an underground system).
Personally I never felt very safe waiting at the underground stations in Edmonton. The idea of being down there with limited exits is creepy - especially in Alberta.
Unlike larger metropolis’ with sophisticated transit security - in Calgary and Edmonton the “help” buttons are monitored by personnel who do not have anywhere near the “911 operator” training that they should have. At least with an exposed above ground station it is visible to police, security and the general public and if you had to run there are always ways out. An underground station leaves your safety at the mercy of transit security (and really, how often are they going to stop at the station?) and some airhead who will be on a break when you need them to answer your distress call.
I actually once witnessed a knife fight at the 6th street station downtown. Someone hit the help button. It took at least a minute for a response and the lady had the gall to ask the guy what he would like her to do about it. Someone finally called 911. It’s interesting how these incidents never get reported in the paper. No one really wants to start a ruckus about overhauling transit security and implying that the system is unsafe.
Agreed, the security model would need to change. For above-ground stations, it’s fine the way it is (theoretically). When it goes underground, there needs to be security cameras monitored 24/7 (or at least when the station is accessible), and there needs to be a “911″ button, not a HELP button.
I look to the underground stations of Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, New York, London, Paris, Moscow, Tokyo, and Hong Kong as examples. You want underground? You gotta pay the ticket. Period. No more honour system — if you ain’t paid to ride, you don’t get to go down. Keeps things a little cleaner, and you’re more guaranteed to have paid fares (something I’m sure Calgary Transit has problems with). Also more secure, too.
It wouldn’t ever be perfect, but since the West LRT is planned to be underground until about 41st St. (presumably run through the green space next to the housing complex?), they’re gonna have to build underground stations anyway.
I am a “new” transit user. After more thirty years of driving to work (I actually had a good excuse) in May I decided to see how it would go with Calgary Transit–I felt I was in a good position make minor sacrifices of convenience, while saving some money on gas and auto upkeep and also reducing my carbon footprint.
So far, my experiences with Calgary Transit have ranged from poor to excellent, settling on an average of “good” to “very good”. I have yet to ride through a winter, however.
In thinking about Calgary Transit, I start with the assumption that many of their staff work at their jobs as hard as I do at mine to improve service while coping with inadequate resources. But at the same time I suspect that they are not especially concerned with, or much skilled at, communicating with their clientele. To me, in fact, one of the most obvious deficiencies of Calgary Transit is that it is such an information-poor environment: poor signage, no real-time information in the stations, weak web site, slow response to input, you name it. They need to spend some time thinking about this aspect of their operation. Just putting rubber on the road does not make a transit system.
To understand the challenges facing Calgary Transit, though, it helps to recognize the huge uphill battle this city has faced as a result of poor planning and weak infrastructure investment going back, I imagine, into the 1940s, but especially in the fifties and sixties. Most people then must have thought that Calgary would hum along at a few hundred thousand inhabitants for the rest of the century. The inattention toward public infrastructure on the part of successive governments has now really caught up with us.
I am not advocating holding back on criticism either of Calgary Transit or city government, but our problems are fundamentally political. Albertans long since became addicted to the “two snowmobiles in every garage” platitudes of a bunch of backward politicians, and it is taking a surprisingly long time for people to catch on to what’s wrong.
I’m not keen to end this as a partisan screed, but if you want a fine city with good transit, you’re going to have to pay for it. At least a few politicians have to become very skilled at getting people to part with their money in pursuit of public projects. It can’t happen soon enough.
Clyde — you’re 100% correct. If we want good transit, we have to pay for it. We can’t merely complain and hope it’ll magically get better. And you’re also right in that it needs the governments at hand to recognise that not everyone is going to drive (snowmobiles or otherwise) from their homes to work. They not only need to have a solid system to rely on for movement, but also be encouraged. London, England did this by slapping fees on anyone driving into the core (most of the City of Westminster, for example). Our downtown core could benefit from such a user fee.
Fortunately, the western side of town will benefit from more reliable transit soon, when the LRT is extended by 2012. Only four short years until I can take the C-Train from my home to work again!
I am a new Calgary Transit rider, as well; having moved to Calgary only 2 short months ago. I recently started a new job downtown, and I can honestly say I have never seen a transit system as inefficient as this one. I have used transit in MANY cities, both bigger (much bigger) and much smaller than Calgary. Never, in all my years of riding on public transit, have I stood at a main stop for OVER an hour waiting for a ‘BRT’ (yes, I refer to the 301)… In all that time, I saw ONLY 2 busses drive PAST the stop (packed MORE than full) while many of us waited in the cold (I hate to think about when it really IS cold)… is this not a route that is supposed to run every 10 minutes or so?? I cannot describe how frustrating this is becoming. The other busses that I could take to get me near enough to walk a fair distance home stop at a completely different location than the BRT; which would constitute me making a mad dash for a different stop after waiting (in vain) for the 301… which is what I ended up doing today… 2 hours to get home, on a trip that should take only 20 minutes.
I feel sorry for the bus drivers, as I have seen their frustrations as people cram themselves onto the bus so tightly;, it becomes a safety issue. We can’t blame the drivers, many of them are just trying to do a job, and by the sounds of it; not getting rewarded very well for it. I personally don’t think that Calgary Transit is expensive… I have paid as much or more for less stellar bus service (if you can believe that) I would be willing to pay MORE, IF the service was improved, and busses were on time (bearing in mind that delays DO happen) and I wasn’t forced to wait at a bus stop for an hour without ever seeing a bus. The comments about lack of information are equally important… the Transit website is a joke… I am from a major city smaller than Calgary, and their website is run MUCH more efficiently. There needs to be bus schedules and maps available at major stops and timing points. As a new user, I have found things to be very confusing… and I try to stick with what I know so I don’t waste any more of my life than I already have waiting.
In fear, I leave an hour earlier than I need to for work… who knows when I will be stuck waiting as busses pass me by, unable to squeeze any other passengers on. I miss time with my family in the evening when it takes me 2 hours to get home (I live just off a main bus route… this should NOT be so)! I am frustrated, but transit has been my only option… I am considering exploring other ones VERY soon… I like to think I could be kinder to the environment by taking public transit, but I have all too much experience with the ’sardine can’ as I like to refer to it as… the steam dripping down the windows, being pushed and poked and prodded… it’s a little much… the people who will not get out of their seats for people who whould actually benefit from one… I love Calgary so much, and this is tainting how I once viewed this city… it’s sad
Just needed to get it off my chest! Thanks!
You’re not alone, Joanne — there are many who share your deep concern of buses. Many times I’ve had to text my wife to let her know I missed the bus (or more specifically, it didn’t show up) and will be late.
I would also happily pay more IF it meant more reliable and less cramped service. But the economics of Calgary need to readjust first — bus drivers are in short supply because entry-level positions don’t pay as well as others in town, have worse hours and benefits, and other positions aren’t nearly as stressful as dealing with angry riders. Such a fun little spiral o’ death, eh?
I totally agree with you
yes, transit in this city sucks. I do not believe that the people that designed the bus stops at the Dalhousie station have ever taken a bus much less be forced to wait for one for more than 25 minutes just after 5 pm on a miserable windy lifesucking evening in Nov. We must remember that transit is really for all the poor people, the others, and it does not much matter what conditions they should endure. Come spring I will be riding my bike or rollerblading. They do not deserve my fare. I pay enough in taxes and do not feel well served. Their website is another poorly planned endeavor.
It’s supposed to also be for those of us who wish to reduce our impact on the environment. Admittedly, having had to drive to work last week, I’m seriously reconsidering my decision to take the bus.
As for their website, check out my colleague Jonnay’s review of CalgaryTransit.com.
I would like to see you move 89 million people better, edmonton with a similar system and the same population moves 45 milion.(per year) You got to give CT a bit more credit!
As much as this sounds like a cop-out, that’s not my field. Naturally, I’d do a lousy job of it. I’m not the expert. But the people working for Calgary Transit should be experts — that’s what they do. And if they’re moving 89 million people a year, great — but they need to be moved more efficiently, more quickly, and most certainly, 89 million is probably not enough. Given the number of cars that drive downtown, it’s safe to say that the number could be a lot higher.
I’ll give Calgary Transit credit insofar as they’ve tried, and to some extent they succeed. Their failures are partly due to impatience of some staff (not just the drivers people love to hate, but also management), but a large part of the issue stems from the City of Calgary not supporting Calgary Transit enough. We spent millions of dollars on a new interchange at Glenmore and MacLeod Trails, but we don’t put in dedicated bus lanes. We put in a massive ring road to the north and south, but we don’t run the C-Train to Mackenzie Town.
As I come back and read the newer posts, I’m beginning to see that my patronage of Calgary Transit gives me better results than it does for many others. I have only a handful of “horrible” to “poor” trips in my six months of partial “resort” to the C-Train and connector buses, and many in the “very good” range.
Geoff correctly points out that “the people working for Calgary Transit should be experts.” But how are we to know what the quality of their expertise is? If officials of the City of Calgary and Calgary Transit think that we should be concerned with this sort of judgment—and I sure hope they do—it’s their responsibility to sponsor the kind of communication that makes it possible. A forum like this blog belongs on—or within—or at least linked within—a dynamic web newsletter focusing on transit issues, maintained by the City or CT. I think they need both to listen and to be seen to be listening.
An example of recent poor communication on the part of CT and City Hall: a week or so ago, after I watched the news story concerning objections to the routing of the SW C-Train line, I went on-line to have a look at a map of the proposed route. Funny thing: the part of the map showing Mount Royal College (which is the source of some of the concern about the route) was covered up by a big, unnecessary white rectangle. I pointed this out to CT and to the Mayor’s office, but I’ve not gotten any response from either. Maybe they’ve changed the map to be more informative about this one issue—I’ll check—but I had hoped they would get back to me on the matter.
Public transit needs advocates. Wouldn’t it be nice if CT started building a constituency for its own improvement? Maybe City government is on top of everything and doesn’t need our advocacy. But how easy is it for us to establish that?
Clyde, that’s about the most brilliant idea I think that has ever been posted on this website! Everyone wants a better Calgary Transit. I think we could all agree that Calgary Transit wants a better Calgary Transit — they just haven’t been given the funds to make it happen.
What if they started a grassroots effort? Not a petition, but outright dialogue with Calgary Transit riders — people who have vested interests (beyond employment with CT) in having a better solution to getting around town.
Brilliant, Clyde!! Truly inspirational.
Anyone at Calgary Transit thinking the same, I wonder? (In case any of you are skeptical, such efforts have moved mountains, not just the opinions of a few.)
Anna,
I’m sorry to hear about your experiences. The problem with Calgary Transit is that every weekday they are short about 100 drivers and that is with about 50 people doing overtime. So they have to cut runs. Cuts are made based on ridership. Shuttle runs are the first to be cut. LRT runs are almost never cut. If nothing else they get supervisors to drive the train until someone is found to take over. With buses it all depends on which route and how frequent the service is. If it is something like the 1,2,3,6,7,13,etc. and the bus is just an AM or PM extra that does 2 trips they might cut it. If it is a choice between a bus that carries a full load and one that carries 10 people, the one with 10 is getting cut first. Every day 20-30 bus runs are cut daily. For Calgary Transit there is no way to communicate this info to the public ahead of time. Many drivers who don’t have set routes call in for their work in the evening the night prior. Those who are going to call in sick will do so 2 hours before they start. If there is someone available on standy, they can fill the work. If not then its cut. It would be nice if the website were updated and it would be nice if teleride was updated but for some reason it is not. Usually other drivers on the same route of a cut run hear about it from the public. They won’t even acknowledge a cut run until a driver specifically asks about it on the radio.
On your day 1, the reason why you had to wait for the other bus so long is they cut one of the 13s or mabye even 2. There are a few 13 buses that are scheduled to go MRC to MRC. Most buses don’t have a sign that says its only up to MRC. So it is up to the driver to inform their passengers ahead of time. You could have taken the 112 from Sarcee road & Richardson Way ( a little further) up to Westhills.
On your day 2: you should have complained and ask for a supervisor to call you back. They will investigate something like that if you press them. Smoking in a City vehicle is not allowed.
On your day 3: If one driver catches up to the next, conventional wisdom amongst anyone who’s driven bus would be to communicate amongst themselves and one would blank their signs and do drop offs only while the other would do pickups (depending on what their loads were like). If nothing else they could do `skip stop` which is do pickups at every other stop providing no one on the bus wanted to get off. There are many bus drivers who like to drag their feet too. Not everyone is gung ho on being on time. Some do it on purpose. Others are just slow. Most take being on time seriously and like to do their best to transport people as quickly as possible without leaving anyone behind.
on your day 4: they cut it. Shuttle buses are first to be cut. The reasoning behind it is low ridership. They only cut shuttle runs after they have run out of regular buses to be sent out.
GPS is a good idea but there’s still no way to predict how long a bus will be in rush hour due to things like traffic and buses having to stop at every stop (#2,#1,#3, etc.) or buses that have to regulary sit on the 10 st bridge for 15 minutes each way during rush hour (#1).
On the whole, I think the way your week worked out had a lot more to do with the driver shortage and people getting hired to be bus drivers that would have never been hired say 5 years ago. Right now they are desperate, holding job fairs all over the country and still barely attracting enough people who are barely qualified. My opinion is that they have to either change the working conditions to make people want to do this job or increase the pay. The Work to Rule campaign did not help. When they redo badge #’s on December 17, some drivers will be moving up 150 badges. It used to be even if you’re new you never moved more then 40. Many drivers retired early or just quit after the city really played hardball with the union. I hope the city gets it now that this job is not one that everyone wants. People join and they do it for 2-3 months and leave. Others just join for the class 2 licence which the City pays for in training and then leave to drive tour bus or work for greyhound.
Joanne,
I can give you a reason why you waited so long for a BRT bus. Very few drivers are trained on those 60 foot articulated buses. Where there used to be 2 buses scheduled close together, they have now changed it to 1 articulated bus. What happens when they run out of drivers trained on those 60 footers is that they have to send out a driver with a 40 foot bus, in effect that means there is 1 lost bus. It doesn’t take long for the 301 to fill up. It is a safety issue but the driver is the captain of the ship. They can do whatever they are comfortable with provided they are ready to pay for the consequences later. Most drivers will rely on the yellow line to determine when the bus is full. That protects everyone. If there is a car that cuts the bus off and the driver has to brake suddenly it will send flying. If people are closer to the windshield across the yellow line then someone can potentially go through the windshield and likelihood of injury is greater. Drivers don’t enforce that yellow line rule to make anyone miserable. It is due to safety of all.
There are many reasons why a bus may or may not be on time. Traffic is a big one. In weather like snow where streets are not cleaned buses can be slowed down. When a bus on the same route has been cut then overcrowding leads to more delay at bus stops. Sometimes there are detours and sometimes there are breakdowns and accidents do happen every once in a while. A lot of buses that only come out in the AM and PM rush hours are scheduled really tightly by the schedules department totally ignornant of the conditions that i just mentioned out there that effect bus schedule adherence. More needs to be to give Buses priority in traffic and the schedule makers need to wake up to some reality. A classic example is how in rush hour a bus is supposed to make it to the other side of the Dalhousie-Ranchlands bus trap from Dalhousie station in 3 minutes.
Anna,
A lot of what you went through has to do with people being hired now that wouldn’t be given the time of day say 5 years ago.
Buses being cut is a reality. Why the website and teleride aren’t updated is beyond me. I have found that complaining to transit is useless. A more effective method is to talk to your area alderman. They usually get the ball rolling on transit issues and then CT also listens.
Many drivers who don’t have the same route everyday will have to call in the night prior for their next day’s work. Drivers have up to 2 hours before their shift (mornings that means for 5:00 shifts they can call in at 3 am). The problem comes with not enough people to even cover drivers calling in sick. An average of 20-30 runs are cut daily and that is with 50 people doing overtime. 100 operators are what CT is short of on weekdays. They decide to cut runs based on ridership. Shuttle runs (like the discovery ridge shuttles) are first to be cut.
BusDriver — your very informative Dec 2 comment (Anna, you should read that one) got sucked into my spam filter. I don’t know why — it doesn’t meet the spam criteria. My apologies for the delay in getting it posted.
BusDriver - as always you provide good insight into the workings of Calgary Transit. I remember when the Transit slogan used to be “catch our pride” and it was actually very difficult to get a job with them. Now it’s a job “no one wants”. I think giving drivers regular routes and working hours would go a long way to making it a more desirable job.
You’re right about some drivers not caring whether they are on time. In my continuing adventures of the Discovery Ridge shuttle bus - I left work over 1.5 hours early to ensure that I would be home by 5 PM on the shuttle. I caught the right bus from downtown and it made it to the Westhills Centre on time. With only 10 minutes to spare until the shuttle bus I decided to forego running errands at the mall and waited patiently. The bus never came. After a half hour I started asking other drivers if they knew where the bus was.
I got the same answer: he’s still parked at Westside Rec. After one driver commented that my shuttle bus driver was “yakking on the phone” I called transit. They tried to hail him on the radio to no avail. He finally showed up - 40 minutes late - at the same time as the bus that was supposed to come a half hour after him. Sigh!
I still take the bus from downtown, but I have started driving my car to the bus loops. Getting to work is not that big of a deal for me since I can manage if a bus is late, but I can no longer risk a bus route getting cancelled when there are so few that can take me home again.
Anna,
The problem that you experienced with that shuttle driver is due to this union mentality that has really caught on after the work to rule campagin earlier this year. Many drivers leave 2-3 minutes and some more minutes late from a bus loop so that they don’t have to sit at a time point along the route. What they don’t consider is how people will be waiting outside at the very time that teleride tells them or how some people on the bus will miss their connections because of this. Many of them also drag their feet so that they can potentially miss a trip and save having to it do it because they caught up to another bus. Some run a little late on purpose to book overtime.
We don’t know all the details, so it could very well be that the bus had a breakdown (mechanical problem) or maybe its a new driver. The way they schedule these routes you do 3 different routes with the same bus. For example on a shuttle you could be doing a 453 then a 439 or a 438 route and keep repeating that order. It could very well be that the driver was new and didn’t know how to read the schedule. Again, in the past such applicants would be screened out and eliminated by the interview stage. If you have 2 legs and can walk, transit will hire you providing that you have 3 or less demerit points and no criminal offenses without a pardon on your record.
Calling 262-1000 to complain is useless. Most of the complaints are filtered out and never make it to the driver. The most effective way to complain is to take it up with your Alderman (counciller) who would then personally take it up with city administration who in turn would talk with transit’s management directly at a senior level. I assure you this is the way things get done with transit in this city. The people who take complaints at 262-1000 belong to the very same union as the drivers.
BusDriver, here’s another question. I don’t know if you read earlier on, but I used to have a problem with the #7 regularly (at least twice a week) missing a run, while other busses were turning out at 10th Ave having gone out of service. Given that the #7 starts its route at The Bay, and the stop I got on was the second one along the line, one would assume this wasn’t because of someone waiting 2-3 minutes. Is this simply a route that didn’t run?
And why do busses go out of service before 6pm, when so many people are still trying to go home?
Geoff,
According to Calgary Transit, rush hour in this city is only from 6:00 am to 9 am and then again from 3pm to 6 pm. They schedule AM and PM extra buses to join the all-day buses and trains during those times. By 6 pm and by 9 am those buses are mostly on their way back to the garage. Sucks to be the person that wants to catch a certain bus at 6:15 pm as service on some routes can go from 8 minute service to 40 min service (108/112 etc.). The #7 extras all come out of the Victoria Park garage via 11 Ave and Olympic way by Coyotes and return there too after going out of service at the Bay on 7th Ave.
Fair enough — I can understand 6pm (to an extent) … but I saw buses going out at 5:30, with other buses (like the #7) passing my stop completely full. Happening once or twice I can understand, but happening regularly seems to make little sense to me. Is this a normal practise?
Geoff,
The only way I can explain to you about the 5:30 thing is what is called ‘interlining’. For example, the schedule makers have one bus do more than 1 route with the same bus. There is one bus that starts from Spring Gardens garage (32nd and Deerfoot NE). It heads to Whitehorn and starts in service as a Route 25 for 2 trips. Then it goes out of service all the way to Crowchild and 54 Ave N.B. and starts as a Route 20, going through MRC and eventually ending up at 78th Ave and Center st bus loop in Huntington. It goes out of service there and heads downtown to Petro Canada building, where it starts in service as a Route 5 for basically a half trip and ends up at the 78th Ave bus loop AGAIN. It goes back to the Spring Gardens garage.
This is one example. There are some really weird interlings that the schedule makers have been using. The example I gave, the driver spends probably just as much time in traffic in rush hour as an out of service bus as they do in service.
Well… I guess that makes sense at some level. Still, it sucks badly for those who have to wait for the missing #7, only to see off duty buses passing by seemingly needlessly.
Thanks again for the insight, BusDriver!
Hi Geoff,
A lot of the service delays are because certain AM or PM extra buses have been cut. On any given day there are 50 or so people working on overtime on their days off and still they can’t fill the work.
It is sad in a way that City Council is spending so much on buying buses, trains, new LRT stations, new LRT lines, more BRT routes and adding Service hours each year, but at the end of the day Calgary Transit is having to cut runs because of lack of drivers. Council is again increasing Transit service hours but Calgary Transit is not even able to fill this year’s hours or even last years due to labour shortage. Service is taking a hit because of it. With a city the size of Calgary, with all the urban sprawl and new communities crying for service and old ones that are used to a certain level of level, they have to change something to make it more attractive for people to stay. Whatever they are doing now like trying to attract bottom of the barrel types is not working. They need people who will want to do it as a career for the long term. The only way to change that is to
1. return to that high standard that was there until 2-3 years ago for what kind of employees you hire (ex. people with driving experience, clean record, city knowledge, customer service skills, ability to speak english, etc.).
2. Pay a little more to attract quality people.
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Tommorrow (Dec 15/07) is the grand opening the McKnight Westwinds Station. There will be coffee etc. served in Tents in the station parking lot. The Mayor, Premier and other politicians, City managers will be on hand to do the ribbon cutting etc. It will be around 11:15 to 1:00ish. The actual station goes into operation Monday morning on the 17th.
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Also:
On Dec. 24th, all weekend service on LRT is going to a 10 minute headway v.s. the 15 minutes it is now.
In case you’re wondering how I know all this, I still have many friends who work at Transit who keep me updated.
BusDriver, do you have an idea of what the ranges for pay are with CT? And how they compare with other bus companies? Just wondering if CT is respecting the market value at all.
It would be nice to see some minimum level of standard for applicants for CT, but as you’ve noted before — if you restrict yourself to “anyone”, but refuse to pay for the level of quality you want, you’re going to have a tough time getting the ones you need — even harder to keep them.
It’s a common theme here in Calgary, and private business adapts. Has to, or it dies. How do you make government understand that quandary, though?
Well….hurray for me. I bought a downtown monthly parking pass at $225 per month.
Yesterday I was yelled at by a driver for asking what bus number she was: her response: “read the f-ing sign”. Her sign was digital and it was garbled.
This morning the Discovery Ridge shuttle showed up 10 minutes early - I was 50 feet from the bus stop and started running. I reached the bus stop and the bus kept going. It was completely empty and the driver looked right at me.
I figured once you subtract the $75 bus pass fee,the $60 or so per month in taxicabs when the shuttle strands me at Westside and the five times or so per month that I pay $18 a day in downtown parking when the shuttle bus doesn’t show in the morning and I can’t afford to be late, I’m actually getting a real bargain.
I am done. Transit drivers in Calgary are to blame for Calgary being one the most motorized cities in Canada and the air pollution that results.
Anna, I hate to say it, but you’ve just shown what seems to often end up as “par for the course” for a lot transit users — the high costs of driving are outweighed by the life you gain back by abandoning public transit.
It’s going to be a while before this gets truly better, and your story is less typical.
Geoff, bus driver pay varies. Low end for a regular bus driver is $20.44. After 1957 hours (excluding overtime) or roughly 13 months of working full time, it goes up to 23.00. After that you need another 1957 hours of service or roughly 13 months to make it to the top rate of 25.55. Until now Bus and c-train drivers have been paid the same. In March, c-train drivers will all get a 5% premium over what bus drivers make. After a year of continuous time on c-train it becomes 6% and 7% in another year. So a c-train driver could be making from $26.83 to $27.33 an hour within the next 2 years. Most drivers work a lot of overtime. Those that don’t do overtime average between 50,000 and 60,000 a year. Those that work all the time and never take days off are in the $70,000 a year range with some even hitting 80,000. A lot of them work a lot due to rising costs to live in Calgary. Others work that much to boast their pensions which are based on an average of your best 5 years. This collective deal that was signed in June is done in June 2009. Once you reach the top rate, the only raises you get are union raises that kick in due to a new collective agreement increases. Usually they are 3 year deals with increments each year of the deal. It doens’t matter if a person is the best bus driver in the world or is a major league a-hole. They all get paid the same. That’s part of the reason why I no longer work there. There really isn’t any incentive to do a good job when you are going to be paid the same as someone who is dogging it day in and day out.
Transit Operators (bus and c-train) start out at a guarantee of 60 hours per pay period. That means if they run out of work, 60 hours is guaranteed nothing more. You need 17% of the work force junior to you on the seniority list to become a 75 hour guaranteed operator. That takes about 2-3 years, but for some only a year since so many were hired recently.
Shuttle drivers are mostly part time and make around 17 dollars an hour. A lot of the benfits that Transit Operators are entitled to are denied to Shuttle drivers.
Calgary transit is competitive in relation to other transit authorities for the most part when it comes to hourly pay, but that does not take in account just how expensive (if you factor in rising inflation) Calgary has become to live in as compared to other places and just how easy it is to get other work that pays either similar or better wages for less stressful work or easier work. That is what they are facing. There was a boom in the 70s when the bulk of today’s Transit Operators were hired. CT knew that one day they would all retire around the same time and never really started hiring enough people for it until last year when they actually started to hold job fairs.
Add to the equation that Calgary is a growing city and council keeps adding transit hours for bus service eventhough the CT can’t even meet the current obligations. There’s new LRT lines but not enough c-train drivers. C-train retention is a major issue. They go out of their way to try to please c-train drivers v.s. bus drivers who they treat like sheep. There are about 1300 or so bus drivers and roughly 100 train drivers. 40 to 50 that can do both.
The trouble with calgary transit is that they haven’t got out of the 1980s yet. Look at the ticket machines. Edmonton has smart card technology for theres. Toronto has turnstiles where you can’t even come to the platform without paying. Calgary has this stupid free fare zone which makes the train into an arm of the drop-in center at night with all the bums and crackheads that take the trains. So much time is wasted of transit cops and real cops getting ’sleepers’ off trains, every single night. Calgary still has paper transfers. How much fare revenue is lost due to this ‘honour’ system? Why can’t we have electronic fareboxes on platforms and buses where they will only spit out a ticket if the right amount of change is added? Calgary also missed the boat on HOV lanes, bus only lanes and giving buses priority like some other cities have. The whole organization is still being run like its still the 1980s and Calgary is just some little town where everyone knows everyone. CT needs to understand that we are now over 1 million people with a huge footprint with some of the worst urban sprawl anywhere. If they artificially restrict parking by either jacking up parking rates or limiting spots then they have to provide half decent transit service since most people in this city work downtown and live outside of it.
Geoff,
I agree with you that there should be a minimum standard. Right now there is NO STANDARD. Service is taking a hit as a result. Training classes are graduating all the time. Few are actually staying. After graduation they see how it really is and think to themselves ‘Do I really want to do this for 20-30 years?’ and then leave. The only people getting rejected now are people with bad driving records (more than 3 demerit points) or criminal records. Anyone else is fair game. The other day I saw a bus driver with a fake leg. Apparently you don’t even need 2 legs to drive.
Again, BusDriver, thank you for your input and insight. Maybe if the public is more aware of the mess at Calgary Transit that they can contact their aldermen and force change.
Admittedly, that’s a pretty big maybe.
Geoff, individual Alderman can’t do much. There has to be a change with the City administration. The corporate culture is very different then that of private companies. This culture has filtered down to Calgary Transit as a whole too. Part of the reason why CT is running things like it was the 1980s is that the very same guy that was in charge through the 1970s and 80s is still in charge. The only dif is in addition to Transit, he’s now also got Roads (road work, snow removal),Signals (traffic signals) also under him as well as taxi and limo licencing. Most of the drivers that have been around long time hate his guts.